csakhogy gojo oruljon:
- lassan eltunnek a sistak a GW boltokbol (online es sima is)

ez az esetek 99%-ban azt jelzi, hogy nem ontenek ujat, mivel jon a muanyag valtozat.
es az inkvizicios codex megjelenesvel egyidoben igazza is valhat (2009-2010?)

kerdes, hogy a leendo Sista jatekos tud-e addig varni veluk (en nem tudnek)

warseer összefoglalo a démonokról

I think it's time for another summary. This is complete as I've been able to make it based on the responses in this thread. My own additions are in [square brackets].


QG [HQ?]

Bloodthirster
- very strong, best stat in the book, on assault fase he can Istant Kill a space marine character in close combat
- his Initiative is like a marine.
- Mortal Strike: Range 12 S7 AP 2 weapon
- when assaulting he get S8
- have furios charge and 2+ inv save against psionic power and force weapon, wings and chaos armour. Is good, very good with 5 attack

Great Unclean One
- has feel no pain, immune to instant death, T6 I2 and slow and purposeful.
- Poor Nurgle is very resiliant but sucks for initiative and powers respect the other three.

Lord of change
- is very powerfull: have a sort of force weapon, all the tzeentch gift and shooting power, he can shoot 3 times at 3 different target
- have 3+ Inv. save

Keeper of Secrets
- is less stronger [than a bloodthirster] but made more attack and shoot a "Lash" like power
- can Hit and Run and have assault and defensive granates, plus Fleet.
- Very good stat, the Hightest Init in the game,
- have Hit and Run rule and assault and defensive granates. Can shoot 2 times.
- has Rage 18" S4 AP 3 Assault 3 and the Pavane of Slaanesh (lash like power)

(Undivided Greater Daemons only a Special Character)

Herald (2 for 1 slot)
- you can have Heralds of [any] combination of the god[s] you like (eg. Can have Nurgle and Tzeentch heralds in the same HQ)
- No Undivided Heralds
- [chariots are] herald only and change the stat of the Herald and they loose the Indipendent character status

- Nurgle Herald:
noxious touch [Gift]: wound 2+ in HtH
boon of mutation [gift]: see CSM psichic power, only is a ranged weapon
Cloud of flies [gift] are like have assault and defensive granates [grenades?]
aura [of decay - gift] is a worthless S2 AP - Shoot in HtH to all model in 6" like CSM power
plaguesword [Standard equipment?] is like the one in the old chaos codex

- Slaneesh Herald:
breath of chaos [gift?]: Spry[Template?] weapon
unholy might [gift?]: +1 S
soporific musk [gift?]: -1att one enemy in HtH

- Tzzentch Herald:
"we are legion" [gift]: it allows to shoot at two different target with different weapon
Soul Devourer [gift?]: Psionic [Force?] Weapon
Mast[e]r of Sorcery[gift?]: Can shoot 2 times with different weapons (i.e. monstruos creatures can shoot 3 times)

- Khorne Herald:
Blessing of the blood God [gift]: 2+ inv save against psionic power and force weapon


ELITE

Flamers

Flesh hounds (w/special character)

Fiends of Slaanesh
- have 2 wounds and are immunes to istant death.
- also they are beast.

Beast of nurgle
- are like very toxic, tougth but slow spawn... (FNP and poisoned attack)
- can do a tremendous ammount of attacks


TROOP
- The troop choice ar[e] very cheap (not as an ork but cheap)

Daemonettes (most powerfull choice)
- fleet and rending
- are the better choice non only for rending, but for their cost.
- 5-20 per unit
- [cost] less then Lesser Daemon in CSM codex

Bloodletters
- PW and FC
- cost less then a Chaos space marines
- no armour[save]
- have the Toughness of a Space Marine
- 5-20 per unit

Plaguebeares
- FNP, Posioned Weapons, Slow and Purposeful
- [cost] less then Lesser Daemon in CSM codex
- 5-20 per unit
- have toughness one point more then lesser daemons

Pink Horrors (w/special charcter)
- Special character (the Changeling)
- Shooting one: shoot a S3 ap3 bolt and have access to one bolt of tzeentch for troop choice
- cost less then a Chaos space marines
- 5-20 per unit

furies

nurglings
- they cost like a ork
- worse [stats than an imperial guardsman],
- if the daemons are Immune to Istant death they are usefull for the 3 wound.
- they have not FNP, only the Swarm rule


LIGHT SUPPORT [FAST ATTACK?]

Bloodcrushers

Seekers of Slaanesh
- are mounted daemonettes not the SoC one.
- they have daemonettes stat plus 1 attack and are Cavaller [Cavalry?]

S[c]reamers
- are jetbike, interesting choice with upgrade, suck without.


HEAVY SUPPORT

Soulgrinder (modified Defiler)
- 2 close combat weapon, one Mawcannon (whitch can be ugraded) and a Reaper.
- Is a walker

Daemon Prince (very customizable choice)
- Daemon Prince Stat are lower then the CSM one, is cheaper, but can buy upgrade to became as the QG choice.
- Can be more dangeruos in HtH then the CSM (expecialy the nurgle one) or if marked Tzeentch be a very good mobile fire base
- [Nurgle?] DP fly and can wound anything at 2+


SPECIAL CHARACTERS

There are 3 special Greater Daemons (one for Nurgle, one For Tzeentch and one Undivided) and 4 Special Herald ( one for God)

Nurgle Greater Daemon Character
- Kugath the plaguefather
- have two special rules: Blessing of Pus and nurglings infestation

Nurgkle Herald Character
- Epidemius

Slaneesh Herald Character
- the Masque
- special rule called the eternal dance and a inv save of 3+,
- can shoot two Lash of submission like power for shooting fase

Tzzentch Greater Daemon Character
- oracle of Tzeentch
- is a monstruos creature with 1 wound ( I suspect some strange rule)


GENERAL RULES:

All Daemons have Invulnerable save, can be placed in deep strike and have immunities versus Istant death

All codex entries (yes, even the Soulgrinder) are daemons.

They can't be included in Chaos Space Marines armies, they are an inidipendet force.

A full God army can be made, the strenght of the force varies for the choosen God (IMHO Mono-Tzeentch and Slaanesh are the strongest)


ICONS:
[Daemons] can be placed all in deep strike, and than enter in play at 6" from an icon and assault.

Icon are aveiable to:

Herald
Bloodletters
Daemonettes
Plaguebearers
Horrors
Bloodcrushers
Seekers
Daemon Prince

It's very expensive for troops (10 points less the then a lascannon to a Choosen CSM unit) but cheap for DP (like a flamer)


OTHER:
- no nurgle or tzeentch cavalry, the first have Daemon Beast and the second Screamers (that are considered jetbike)
- there is no psionic power, only shooting weapon!!! is this one of the strongest thing in the list
- there is no daemonic weapon for normal QG, don't know for special one.
- Nugle sucks very bad. It's very tough but slow like hell and can go only in HtH to do some damage, but only GD and DP negates saves
- Nurgle DP is a must [for all-Nurgle armies]
- bolt of change is S9 AP2

Jol hangzanak a felallasok, de:

gojo írta:

Greater Daemons Herald (2 for slot)

kicsit kevesnek tunik a lehetoseg.

gojo írta:

Daemonettes (most powerfull choice)

ezt nem is ertem miert, khorne demonok mindig is durvabbak voltak.

gojo írta:

Light support Seekers of Slaanesh

jol hangzik, de mi a csocs az a Light Support?
vagy lehet, hogy ez lesz az elso 5th edhez kiadott codex, es ott bejon ez az uj valasztas?

gojo írta:

There are 3 special Greater Daemons ( one for Nurgle, one For Tzeentch and one Undivided)

Slaanesh meg biztos azert marad ki, mert felnek a szuloktol, akik perelnek oket
a pornograf figura miatt :p

gojo írta:

Troop abilities: Daemonettes: fleet and rending Bloodletters: PW and FC Plaguebeares: FNP, Posioned Weapons, Slow and Purposeful Horrors: Shooting one

nna emiatt nem ertem, hogy Demonett miert a legdurvabb.
fleet jo dolog, de nem sok vizet szokott zavarni. Rending meg 5th ed alapjan erosen vissza lesz huzva.
szoval:
demonette: rohan, S4, ha sebzesre 6-ot dob, akkor nem dob az ellenfel mentot
bloodletter: rohamkor S5(6?), I5, ellenfel soha nem dob mentot
plaguebearer: T4(5), szinte lelohetetlen, es kozelharcban is lassan fogy (FNP), 4+-on sebez mindent (T8-as wraithlordot is), mindig nehezterep
horror: lo (eddig S5 Assault3 volt, amit tudtak(vagy az flamer, de kb egykutya))

szoval mitol powerfull?

40k démon hírek a warseer ről.

Codex Daemonica (from playtest ruleset)

Army composition:

Qg

Greater Daemons
Herald (2 for slot)

Elite

Flamers
Flesh hounds (w/special character)
Fiends of Slaanesh
Beast of nurgle

troop

Daemonettes (most powerfull choice)
Bloodletters
Plaguebeares
Pink Horrors (w/special charcter)
furies
nurglings

Light support

Bloodcrushers
Seekers of Slaanesh
Sreamers

Heavy supports

Soulgrinder (modified Defiler)
Daemon Prince (very customizable choice)

There are 3 special Greater Daemons ( one for Nurgle, one For Tzeentch and one Undivided) and 4 Special Herald ( one for God)

Troop abilities:
Daemonettes: fleet and rending
Bloodletters: PW and FC
Plaguebeares: FNP, Posioned Weapons, Slow and Purposeful
Horrors: Shooting one

General rule: All Daemons have Invulnerable save, can be placed in deep strike and have immunities versus Istant death
All codex entries (yes, even the Soulgrinder) are daemons.

After reading some of the rumor posts about the New Daemons, I felt the forum a shot in the arm. I been lucky to talk with people who played tested the New Daemons, plus have a inside source at GW.

I play Tzeentch so most of the questions, I asked was about Tzeentch Daemons. Here some of the feedback I recieved.

1: 5+ true ward save if within 12 inches of your General. If out of the 12 inch range it's a 5+ Daemonic Ward Save.

2: Units to drop back down to a LD8

3: New Lore of magic for Slaanesh, Nurgle & Tzeentch

4: Bloodletters with 4T now

5. Flamers with S4 magical bolt, in the last play list.

6. Screamers will get a D3 fly over attack, question is S4 or S5?

7. Look for new units for Slaanesh & Nurgle [Fiends of Slaanesh, Beast of Nurgle & Nurgle Palanquin]

8. Horrors got new bound spells

9. Best for last, no more Daemonic Instabiliity at least in the last play tested list.


Been told with VC a wrap except minor things, full fantasy attention is now on Daemons. Look for the book to be printed some time in Feb. Will post even more information when I get them.



GoC

eddigi hírek az 5. kiadás változásairól:

5th Edition Rumour roundup

‘5th’ edition 40K is due for release in 2008 although we have conflicting reports about the release date, it’s going to be either summer or more probably autumn (GDUK 08).

There will be a new rulebook and new starter set which will be Orks vs marines, it will include both troops and vehicles (a marine dreadnought is likely and possibly others). The 3up grot seen at UKGD ’07 is also for the starter box.

Rumoured rules amendments

1. the addition of a ‘run’ option (similar to fleet but with a trade off to keep fleet special).
2. Improvements to the cover save rules.
3. Rending toned down (auto wound if you roll a 6 to wound & reduction in effectiveness against vehicles).
4. Template(Blast) weapons rules streamlined.
5. Sniper weapons rules amended (rending probable)
6. Close combat rules amended with a combat resolution phase similar to fantasy
7. Single vehicle damage table.
8. Vehicles without a WS always get hit in the rear armour.
9. Vehicles able to ram
10. Other vehicle amendments
11. Mission rules changed in a similar manner to Apocalypse (no more Alpha, Gamma or Omega).
12. Only non vehicle non swarm troop choices are scoring units.
13. Vehicles types are adjusted (the rumoured skimmer nerf)

Overall the ruleset hasn’t changed dramatically but areas have been clarified, streamlined and in some cases brought closer to 2nd edition.

I’ll add to the list as we hear more. Don’t forget these are rumours and should not be treated as the truth.

Hát igen,bár szerintem alapvető változások nem hiszem,hogy lesznek,legalábbis nem volt erről szó.A járműves dologgal egyetértek,kell az.(meg lehet,hogy nem fogynak elég jól... )

hát azok a papok tényleg beszarásul néznek ki...valóban megvan bennük az az őrűlt hatás amit mutatni akartak...láttam már olyat is, hogy valami inkább vicces volt, de ez nem olyan. mondhatnám, hogy olyan özsgések... szinte kívánkoznak a seregedbe!

az ig kódex meg valóban a láthatáron van. állítólag persze...gw nél soha nem lehet tudni. nagyon rebesgetik, hogy újracsinálják az alap troopokat is. lesznek olyan nagykabátos katonák, mint a kreig iek, nem csak cadiaiak...bár mondjuk nekem jobban tetszenek a mostani cadiaiak, mint a krieg iek...dehát a gw nek mondjuk az én ízlésem a legkevesebb...empire nél sem nagyon vették figyelembe, pedig én aztán szavaztam mindehol... :D:D meg ugye nagyon sok repcsiről is szó van itten...hát majd kiderül, hogy mi lesz belőle. olyat is olvastam, hogy már most is ki akartak hozni valami repcsit, az apochoz, de túl bonyolult lett a minta és inkább nem csinálták meg.

amire én még kíváncsi vagyok az a jövőre jövő új szabályok...kíváncsi vagyok, hogy miket változtatnak. már csak azért is érdekel, mert egészen át tudják írni egy egy sereg felépítését...mondjuk ha javítják a járgányok túlélési esélyét, akkor a sisták elég jók lesznek a sok rhinoban...meg ha jól látom a közelharc is változni fog...az mondjuk inkább a közelharci seregeknek fog segíteni. bár erről azért még elég kevés dolog van, meg gondolom inkább csak találgatás...bár láttunk már olyat, hogy egy fél évvel a könyv előtt gyakorlatilag mindenki tudta már a tutit és be is jött...

Tényleg nagyon szépek a papok is,meg a command is...bizony nem kevés pénzért...de ha már belevágtam akkor muszáj... Egyébként olyan sok IG cucc jön ki a Planetstrike-hoz,hogy szerintem nincs messze az új kódex sem,lehet,hogy már 2008-ban...

ezt találtam, 40k sok örüljenek:

Ok, since its Christmas I'll spill what little I know.
(...) It just feels like years of developing the game for strict tournament play is no longer the focus of the game...now it’s more about fun and creativity as we've witnessed with Apocalypse...and will see with...PLANETSTRIKE!

Yes, Planetstrike is the name of the next supplement (unless someone at GW reads this, gets mad and changes it out of spite). It’s about taking the game into the 3rd dimension (Waa?). This is why you’ve been hearing about a deepstrike book; but it’s much more than that! It is about adding flyers and drop pods into the game but also about fighting missions with a clear attacker/defender. I’m sure this has been said before elsewhere so consider this another “confirmation” if you will. There will be a plastic SM drop pod that can also be a chaos deathclaw (I think that’s what it’s called). There will be plastic storm troopers (look like kasrkin) and a plastic valkyrie. The Valkyrie may even be available as a transport in the next guard codex. There are also several new terrain kits in the works. A landing pad, a defence laser and a bunker. All of these can be combined to create a fortification and it goes without saying that they are compatible with the current CoD building sets. There are some other things I’ve heard about Planetstrike, but I’m waiting for a second source to confirm them before I spill.

Planetstrike will be released at GDUK AFIK since 5th will now be out at the beginning of the summer (they switched places for some reason). (...)

...so Merry Christmas!
Dosadi



magyarul:
a gw következő kiegészítője valami planetstrike lehet. egy bolygó bevételéről fog szólni értelemszerűen. jöhetnek majd repcsik, meg drop podos dolgok. állítólag lesz hozzá ig műanyag repülő, meg műanyag karskin figu is, meg műanyag drop pod is, ami káoszhoz is hasznáható leszen. a repcsi az egy valkyre lesz, sőt ez a következő ig kódexben is benne lesz, mint új transport választás. lesznek még új tereptárgyak is. leszállóhely, lézerágyú és egyebek. állítólag a gd uk én fogják megjelentetni.